This is one that we have intended to publish for over a year. I believe the 97 trench gun in the link that tionesta1 posted is correct. From 1897 until 1957, over one million of these shotguns were produced. Military shotguns archive military surplus collectors forums. This is a like new in box ithaca m37 deerslayer ii 20 gauge shotgun. Stevens 52030 trench and riot gins, stevens model 602a trench and riot and the ithaca 37 trench gun. As a result, an initial order for 1,420 ithaca model 37 trench gunswith factoryfitted 20inch, openchoked barrels, ventilated steel heat guards, lugs for the m1917 bayonet, sling swivels and. Ww2 ithaca model 37 posted in shotgun trenchgun ref. Your gun is one of the 1,422 riot type trench guns from contract number w740ord2148 with hand guards bayonet attachments and sling swivels. Ithaca 37 featherlight deerslayer police special with 18 in barrel weapons. Mar 15, 2010 finding a ww2 ithaca bayo adaptorheat sheild will be next to impossible, and very expensive if you do.
First off, this ithaca 37 was never held out to be an original vietnam issue trench gun. The 1897 winchester trench gun served with american infantrymen grunts in wwi, wwi, korea and vietnam as essential scouting weapons and for riot control. For example, in talking about the proposal to arm the jagdpanther with a 128mm gun, the imperial measurement is given as a. But you might be able to use one of the 1960s ithaca bayo adaptorheat sheilds. Following the first world war, the ithaca gun company sought to produce a pumpaction shotgun to compete with the ubiquitous winchester model 1912. Shooting illustrated ithaca model 37 trench and riot gun. This image is a one of a series of comparative photos taken by a u. Finding a ww2 ithaca bayo adaptorheat sheild will be next to impossible, and very expensive if you do. The model 1897 was used again in world war ii by the united states army and marine. With a serial number range only extending from 57,820 61,450, this offering by rock island auction falls safely inside with a serial of 57,972. From 1897 until 1957, over one million of these shotguns were.
The winchester model 1897, also known as the model 97, m97, or trench gun, is a pumpaction shotgun with an external hammer and tube magazine manufactured by the winchester repeating arms company. Story was from the person, in his late 20s, who sold it and we know how stories go, that it was his. Military shotguns are extremely popular with todays military arms collectors, and prices are rising at a rapid rate. The shotgun was saved from oblivion by the army needs during ww2. Military shotgun manual trench gun for sale on sturmgewehr. Comes complete with octagonal base brass bead sight, sling swivel and 3 attachment screws. May 14, 2018 this is one that we have intended to publish for over a year. I think that shotgun was actually developed in ww2. The original steps of shotgun manufacture that was originally used by ithaca during wwii has been carefully duplicated utilizing modern technology and cnc machining which yields components that are precise and accurately reproduced. The gun appears all original and has correct markings. Winchester model 97 shotgun military information hq. The ithaca model 37 shotgun ithacas model 37 has served alongside soldiers and police officers for decades, and the current defense gun variant brings classic looks with modern manufacturing technology. My dad has a 1911a1 of some make that i will inherit someday, but it was not a ww2 service pistol. The 12 gauge winchester m97, in trench gun or riot gun style, was a pumpaction shotgun with an exposed hammer and a 5 round tubular magazine beneath the 18 inch barrel.
Csp is seeking advertisers model 37 ithaca bump in the night riot shotgun mr97 says hello. Any board members out there who can help out with the proper ithaca. Inland is also making a reproduction of the m37 trench gun that is build on an ithaca receiver. During 2010, i was working on a photostudy book of the firearms. Can someone comment on the scarcity and value of an original 97% condition winchester m1897 trench gun, made in 1941barrel marked 41, 4row heat shield with w. I also had all the riot guns in various styles to include a drippy mint early m97 with the open flame bomb, factory swivels, and a very sharp wb with the large ord. If it is an original ww2 blue finish ithaca model 37 trench gun bayonet adaptor and heat shield, its worth a lot of money. Author leroy thompson investigated the history of the winchester model 12 trench gun for the 2015 issue of military surplus in examining the trench guns history, thompson attempted to show why the 12gauge shotgun that served u.
Others have noted some of the more specific mistakes this book makes, but there is a constant problem with where decimal points are placed, and especially with how gun calibres are stated. A clean wwii produced ithaca slide for the 1911a1 model. As discussed, one of the rarest examples of the genre is the world war ii model 37 trench gun, but all of the ithaca military shotguns are highly desirable acquisitions for a collector. Our goal is to encourage collectors by providing honest descriptions, fair prices, and the best customer service. The winchester model 1897 trench gun with a fixed bayonet was a. I hate to part with this gun and im not decided yet on a trade. Us winchester trench and riot guns and other us combat. Famed combat shotgun now back in production inland. Stoeger uplander blue book of gun values gun carrier weapons guns, guns and ammo. The winchester model 1897, also known as the model 97, m97, or trench gun, is a. Prewar model 37s usually rate about a 30% premium over book value. Archive forum for discussions about military shotguns.
One round could be in the chamber bringing capacity to six rounds total. Ithaca made a bunch of trench guns in the 60s both for the military and for the commercial market. The model 1897 was an evolution of the winchester model 1893 designed by john browning. I did have a beautiful and elusive m37 ww2 ithaca the rarest of them all. Jul 18, 2016 ithacas model 37 has served alongside soldiers and police officers for decades, and the current defense gun variant brings classic looks with modern manufacturing technology. Various armies were using them still in ww2 and until today. Wwii 620 reunited with the brass stevens 620 trench gun butt plate. The open flame ordnance bomb mark starts to disappear in the 929,xxx serial number range and by the time winchester reached the serial number of the gun on gunbroker, e933,xxx, the closed flame mark was. By 1894, the company was under exclusive control of leroy smith and george livermore.
And ammo, rifles, law enforcement, winchester, firearms, hand guns, wwii. I believe theyre all consistent with an early ithaca. A the original steps of shotgun manufacture that was originally used by ithaca during wwii has been carefully duplicated utilizing modern technology and cnc. Even the closed flame ordnance bomb mark on the barrel is correct. As discussed, one of the rarest examples of the genre is the world war ii model 37 trench gun, but all of the ithaca military shotguns are highly desirable acquisitions for. If you are planning on buying one get some books and read up. Leroy smith joined the company by 1885 and george livermore joined the firm in 1887. Dec 14, 2008 ww2 ithaca model 37 posted in shotgun trenchgun ref.
The wartime ithaca trench guns were marked on the left side of the. The title of this book is us winchester trench and riot guns and other us combat shotguns for collectors only and it was written by joe poyer. I take the kindle to gun shows with me and have info at my finger tips if i run across a trench gun and want to verify its authenticity. Concerning rarity, the ithaca model 37 trench gun is second only to the remington model 10 in terms of all trench shotguns, making it the rarest of those trench shotguns that saw use in world war ii. Us winchester trench and riot guns and other us combat shotguns for. Sep 02, 2014 author leroy thompson investigated the history of the winchester model 12 trench gun for the 2015 issue of military surplus in examining the trench guns history, thompson attempted to show why the 12gauge shotgun that served u. New production ithaca m37 wwii trench gun m14 forum. The model 1897 was first listed for sale in the november 1897 winchester catalog as a 12. The pistol has other marks on it, like the ordnance stamp behind the right grip panel, p on the top of slide and on frame left, near mag release, and ithaca gun company on the left side of the slide. Disassembly and reassembly of ithaca 37 ithaca 37, guns, book, youtube. They used the remington model 17 as their model and made modificationssuch as simplifying and costsaving alterations of the firing pin and ejection mechanism, the work of ithaca designer harry howland in 1931 while waiting for. As i mentioned, im new to trench guns just got canfields book a couple f days ago and and only became interested when researching a sevens 53030 riot gun that i came into by chance not a winchester, but a browning design.
Stevens 52030 trenchgun shotguns, firearms, modern classic, weapons, armour. Ithaca shotguns model 37 for sale guns international. The ithaca 37 or model 37 is a pumpaction shotgun made in large numbers for the civilian, military, and police markets. The shotgun has a 24 inch fully rifled barrel with sights. The ithaca 37 was introduced in 1937 model named for year, and you have a very early one.
The blue is as new and the bore is bright and shiny. D day commemorative combat shotgun the exclusive marketer for inland manufacturing is proud to offer a special limited edition ithaca model 37 combat shotgun to commemorate and honor the 75 anniversary of the d day landings. The inland m37 trench shotgun is manufactured in a joint effort with the ithaca gun company, upper sandusky, oh. The serial number is also a tell most of the commercial production late 1960searly 1970s trench guns have 7digit serial numbers, while the vietnam era.
Colt 1911a1 ithaca slide wwii for sale gunsamerica. Has some wear and handling corrosion not rusted or pitted. Any board members out there who can help out with the proper ithaca ww2 trench handguard. Gun production started during latter half of 1883, at an industrial site located on fall creek, ithaca, new york. What is the value of an ithaca model 37 shotgun answers. Of the three variants, trainer long barrel, riot gun inch barrel, and trench gun 20.
A viet nam issue which is really what this gun appears to copy in excellent condition. If a gun found today is not in this serial number range, it is not a genuine world war iiproduction model 37 trench gun. Ithaca 37 featherlight deerslayer police special with 18 in barrel weapons guns, airsoft guns. Ithaca m37 trench shotgun ithaca shotgun, ithaca 37, pump. And the safety needs repinned or whatever you call it. There are a lot of variations and than there is the price, it can be big. We offer both ww1 era 1911s, transitional and government model 1911s, as well as the ww2 model 1911a1 made by colt, remington, ithaca, and more. I have an excelent condition ww2 ithaca trench gun, original blue finish, rlb and ordnance bomb marked, in the correct serial number range, everything perfect and as it should be except, it has a winchester handguard.
Ithaca model 37 bayonet attachment parts for antique guns. The serial number is also a tell most of the commercial production late 1960searly 1970s trench guns have 7digit serial numbers, while the vietnam era model 37 trench guns have serial numbers in the hight 900,000s. Famed combat shotgun now back in production inland ithaca. If you have access to a copy of one of canfields books on us military shotguns, thatll help with id details. Winchester model 12 riot trench gun 1942 wwii world war.
Stevens, ithaca, mossberg and other shotguns used by u. The model 1911 is the most iconic us military pistol in history. The popular called pump guns or pumpaction shotguns were widely used during both world wars for the battles in the trenches, jungles and forests and fightings in cities. Even though under 10 thousand were produced during the war, m37 eventually became a commercial success.
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